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I've been using Eudora several hours a day since at least 1998. And I just installed the 8.0 beta on windows 11 and have been successfully migrating my mailboxes (all 700 of them, carefully nested - so I'm taking about 30 turns to do that, so as not to crash the system).
However Eudora 8 won't check my email - it gets stuck logging into the server. I contacted my email host about setting it up for IMAP since on Windows 10 I used pop, but they said I had everything set fine, including one port change they told me to make, which I did.
Some of the Eudora discussions suggest installing Hermes first, but others say that Hermes hasn't been upgraded in several years, and Eudora 8 is more uptodate - and in fact I couldn't install Hermes because I got the error message that I already have more recent version of its key files installed.
Anyway, I'm looking for help in being able to check my email (about 100+ a day) on Windows 11. In the meantime, I'm having to use my previous Eudora as an archive and find a new email program to start anew.
I loved Eudora better than any emailer I ever used. Bring back Eudora. I miss you terribly. I still have emails in there and keep a record of so many things.
Linda Baldwin,
No email program comes close to Eudora. Extremely fed-up and disgusted with Outlook. Bring back Eudora and charge for the service and I will pay for each of my staff to have it on their computer and Android.
Been using it since it came out. It's easier, faster to use, finds messages quickly, and the interface is not cluttered and clunky like so many of the others. I wish it was still current, I'd pay $65 for an up to date copy!
I still have to support Eudora 7.1 for Windows for one of my IT clients. I supported it on their Window 7 PCs and continue to on their Windows 10 PCs.
Because I've had to support it so much, I've found one glaring gargantuan design flaw that no other email program has or had to my knowledge, at least on Windows and web email systems.
Instead of storing unsent messages (aka drafts) in a Drafts folder and sent messages in a Sent folder, Eudora mixes the two in one mailbox named "Out".
Modern email systems don't do that for good reason.
How can Eudora tell the difference?
Eudora keeps track of the status in a corresponding file ending in .toc (table of contents). So a mailbox (.mbx) has a corresponding file with the same name but ending in .toc (Out.mbx and Out.toc).
Eudora doesn't discern drafts and sent based on info inside a message. It relies on that .toc file.
When the .toc file becomes corrupt, which happens occasionally, maybe every other year or so but sometimes twice a year, you can make a new fresh .toc but "poof" there goes the sent/unsent status of all messages in the Out box. Users can't tell which messages are drafts and which were sent.
So users have to try to remember which are which, re-send some to be sure and/or email people asking if they ever got a message about XYZ.
Plus, other status markings users applied to messages disappears when a new .toc file is made.
It's a super messed up fragile way to keep track of the status of sent versus drafts.
My client is convinced Eudora's search feature is vastly superior to all other email clients, even though I and hundreds of other people I help have little trouble finding messages among hundreds of thousands (sometimes 50G worth) of messages in gmail or Google Workspace. Some users rely on gmail's web interface and advanced search operators:
support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en.
With Eudora, copying messages temporarily to another mailbox can preserve sent status if the .toc info makes it into the temporary mailbox's new toc file, but a bad toc's info almost always fails to completely copy to the temp folder's toc.
Preserving both the corrupt .toc file with its corresponding .mbx file is the only way I've been able to *sometimes* preserve data only present in the toc file.
It's been a couple of years since I've had to clean up one of those messes.
Now I have to make Eudora 7.1 work in Windows 11 so my client can buy some new PCs.
LookAPlane, What is the plan with OAuth and Eudora, assuming you're using google on the back end. Any good solutions out there? It was tricky to handle the first stumble last year, but doable. I'm worried there will be no good workaround this time. Thanks!
I, too, received Google Workspace notices about that.
Fortunately, as long as you configure an "app-specific password" in your gmail or Workspace email account, it should work in Eudora (fingers crossed) after the Feb deadline.
I base that on this quoted statement from the notice:
"Starting September 30, 2024, Google Workspace accounts will only allow access to apps using OAuth. Password-based access (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF APP PASSWORDS) [cap emphasis added by me] will no longer be supported. POP and IMAP are NOT going away and can still be enabled with apps that connect using OAuth."
If you're not familiar with gmail/Workspace App Passwords, they're single-factor passwords you have to create manually and each should only be used in one app, e.g., Eudora. You can revoke one without affecting your regular account password. They're for apps that can't handle 2FA authentication. They bypass 2FA, so don't let the them fall into enemy hands.
We'll all find out in February 2024, less than 3 weeks away. Gulp.
LookAPlane,
heh, heh, I don't have app passwords set up, I'm getting in somehow not sure how I got it working the last time things got turned off, but I gotta get on the case and get app password set up!! Hopefully, it keeps working.
Every attachment (no matter what kind) is opened up.This is not true of any other toold I've tried. Easy to use. Loved it. Won't open on win 10 and I have tried over a dozen programs and haven't found any I like.
Dave, you have to create a folder on your main drive (C) called Eudora and install it into that. You also have to manually make your shortcuts. It works just fine on Windows 10.
When you store it on the C drive instead of in program files, does your old emails know where to find the attachments? Won't Eudora be looking for them in C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Attach? I understand it would work for new emails but I have about 20 years of old messages and attachments.
Eudora 7.1.0.9 works fine on Windows 10 and Windows 11. Can be good to install on your data drive when it can be backed up regularly. It needs the Hermes update to run SSL files.
I have been using Eudora for nearly 40 years. As a consultant, I receive emails from all sorts of publications, tech societies, etc. It is the only program that allowed me to quickly set up folders then filters to send emails into the proper folders. Genius!
J.A.Vilela, I can't get it to work on Win 10. Do you use it on 10? How? I also want to dowload eudora 7,1 and try a method i read about. But can't find where, thanks, lloyd.
I have several email account.. Eudora is the ONLY email client that lets you run a stand alone client for each account.. All the others retrieve all your emails into one place.. For me, it's impossible to keep them all separated.. And I do NOT like sending emails to the wrong contacts by accident..
However Eudora 8 won't check my email - it gets stuck logging into the server. I contacted my email host about setting it up for IMAP since on Windows 10 I used pop, but they said I had everything set fine, including one port change they told me to make, which I did.
Some of the Eudora discussions suggest installing Hermes first, but others say that Hermes hasn't been upgraded in several years, and Eudora 8 is more uptodate - and in fact I couldn't install Hermes because I got the error message that I already have more recent version of its key files installed.
Anyway, I'm looking for help in being able to check my email (about 100+ a day) on Windows 11. In the meantime, I'm having to use my previous Eudora as an archive and find a new email program to start anew.
No email program comes close to Eudora. Extremely fed-up and disgusted with Outlook. Bring back Eudora and charge for the service and I will pay for each of my staff to have it on their computer and Android.
Because I've had to support it so much, I've found one glaring gargantuan design flaw that no other email program has or had to my knowledge, at least on Windows and web email systems.
Instead of storing unsent messages (aka drafts) in a Drafts folder and sent messages in a Sent folder, Eudora mixes the two in one mailbox named "Out".
Modern email systems don't do that for good reason.
How can Eudora tell the difference?
Eudora keeps track of the status in a corresponding file ending in .toc (table of contents). So a mailbox (.mbx) has a corresponding file with the same name but ending in .toc (Out.mbx and Out.toc).
Eudora doesn't discern drafts and sent based on info inside a message. It relies on that .toc file.
When the .toc file becomes corrupt, which happens occasionally, maybe every other year or so but sometimes twice a year, you can make a new fresh .toc but "poof" there goes the sent/unsent status of all messages in the Out box. Users can't tell which messages are drafts and which were sent.
So users have to try to remember which are which, re-send some to be sure and/or email people asking if they ever got a message about XYZ.
Plus, other status markings users applied to messages disappears when a new .toc file is made.
It's a super messed up fragile way to keep track of the status of sent versus drafts.
My client is convinced Eudora's search feature is vastly superior to all other email clients, even though I and hundreds of other people I help have little trouble finding messages among hundreds of thousands (sometimes 50G worth) of messages in gmail or Google Workspace. Some users rely on gmail's web interface and advanced search operators:
support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en.
With Eudora, copying messages temporarily to another mailbox can preserve sent status if the .toc info makes it into the temporary mailbox's new toc file, but a bad toc's info almost always fails to completely copy to the temp folder's toc.
Preserving both the corrupt .toc file with its corresponding .mbx file is the only way I've been able to *sometimes* preserve data only present in the toc file.
It's been a couple of years since I've had to clean up one of those messes.
Now I have to make Eudora 7.1 work in Windows 11 so my client can buy some new PCs.
I meant to post this on the Eudora 7.1 page. Sorry about that.
I, too, received Google Workspace notices about that.
Fortunately, as long as you configure an "app-specific password" in your gmail or Workspace email account, it should work in Eudora (fingers crossed) after the Feb deadline.
I base that on this quoted statement from the notice:
"Starting September 30, 2024, Google Workspace accounts will only allow access to apps using OAuth. Password-based access (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF APP PASSWORDS) [cap emphasis added by me] will no longer be supported. POP and IMAP are NOT going away and can still be enabled with apps that connect using OAuth."
If you're not familiar with gmail/Workspace App Passwords, they're single-factor passwords you have to create manually and each should only be used in one app, e.g., Eudora. You can revoke one without affecting your regular account password. They're for apps that can't handle 2FA authentication. They bypass 2FA, so don't let the them fall into enemy hands.
We'll all find out in February 2024, less than 3 weeks away. Gulp.
heh, heh, I don't have app passwords set up, I'm getting in somehow not sure how I got it working the last time things got turned off, but I gotta get on the case and get app password set up!! Hopefully, it keeps working.